@POE_UK I completely agree… Here’s what i’ve been able to get with my G.Skill FlareX 3200 OC’d at 3400MHz + Ryzen R5 1600 at stock 3.40GHz & OC’d at 3.60GHz…
Great, yea mate, my corsair ram doesnt run as fast as my g.skill tridentZ rgb stuff though, but the software for the tridentz was awful, i managed 3650 on it, i also got sick of having a million softwares installed to control all the lighting so now just use corsair iCue to control everything in one package.
Its not in the default GB setup, haven’t looked if its in the AMD setup. If it is I can likely put it in the GB setup but I’m not doing all of GBs work for them unless they are going to come forward and pay me to sort their mess out.
Theres a lot of options otherwise not accessible by users in the modded F23d. A large chunk of the options in that link really aren’t all that beneficial and having access to them wouldn’t really do anything (if anything at all) to improve memory overclocking for example, there are a lot of options that if they were exposed or added would only muddy the waters as to what is useful for OCing and what isn’t.
Try swapping memory banks. I had to do that a couple times in the early days with new firmware. I used to have the no POST problem as well when enabling or disabling Gear Down but haven’t had that problem in some time so just figured GB actually fixed it. Knowing what memory modules you have would be useful.
On the Ask GN 77 video (skip ahead to 12:08), Steve from Gamers Nexus was asked if any manufacturers listen to his feedback/criticism. In an example of a company that "listened", he mentioned Gigabyte.
He says that he told them while he felt their hardware was good (he was mentioning the latest Z370/X470 boards specifically), their BIOS is lacking. (Yeah, tell us about it!)
Apparently, when he goes to Computex this year he's going to discuss more in-depth with them what he wants to see improved. And he claims they do want to improve in this area. He also said that the people he's talked to want to make this happen, but the difficulty has been in getting upper management to agree to allow them to devote resources to improving the BIOS. Supposedly.
I wonder if Gigabyte is just telling Steve what they think he (and everyone) wants to hear, to try and keep people buying their boards. When, in fact, they really have no plans of improving.
Regardless, let's hope something good comes out of this discussion between Steve and Gigabyte.
Does this method work for all SSDs? What does it actually do? Is overprovisioning even necessary?
This is not the first time I’ve heard this or experienced it. There are people behind the scenes at GB that get seriously butthurt at any kind of criticism and the bottom line is that it will likely not amount to anything. Only when those behind the scenes people see their bottom line being hurt will they consider taking a look around them and seeing how utterly outclassed they are. One small example; the GT7 I use was up and running in minutes with a memory speed of 3466MHz, I had to fight for days with the Gaming 5 and I wasn’t even certain it was totally stable even then. Thats right, a tiny underdog like Biostar are doing better than GB in hardware design and firmware development. I suppose as anyone who reads this will likely think it anyway that yes you can also use me as another example I’m making better firmware than GB are and I don’t have the tools they do to make altering things easy. At the end of the day GB are best left to dig that hole they are digging. Many well known names including myself over a year ago criticised GB for the complete and utter failure of the firmware with the X370 Aorus boards. If they won’t listen to big well known overclocking names and big names known for knowing exactly what they are talking about the only thing GB really will listen to is decreased profits and product sales.
Gigabyte blame AMD
http://forum.gigabyte.us/thread/1542/am4…&scrollTo=19083
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Hi guys,
Just got back from vacation and was trying to catch up on some of the latest posts. From a quick view it seems people are vacillating between F22 and F22B. The short answer is use whatever works best for your system!
The long answer is one we have gone over but bears repeating. When AMD patches something (new AGESA, or patched AGESA) they give us the final binary code, not the source. This means we cannot see the exact changes they have made. We get a change log, much like the one’s I try and supply you guys… Engineers tend to say things like “Fixed XYZ, updated XYZ”. They don’t go into exact nitty gritty changes. So what does this mean? Well let’s say we make a rule for ABC timings/voltage/whatever to +1 and it seems to help. Next AGESA comes out and perhaps that same setting is changed to +1 on AMD’s end. Now we’re at +2, which may not work at all! The only way to discover this is guess and check, hence this large BETA BIOS thread.
If I read the posts correctly it seems the biggest issue is F22 is slow with SSD’s and won’t reboot, but F22B seems to work on both fronts. This is with HEPT on or off. Is this correct?
After it was pointed out that all the other manufacturers get the same code and they can make it work Gigabyte - Matt hasn`t replied to any questions.
Thanks for your help
I understand that we ask you a lot
We can only say thank you for the support you are giving us by improving the bios
If it were possible to activate the "Precision Boost Overdri Scalar" function in the next updates
We can try and say if it works well
Gigabyte should support you for the improvements you are giving
Bad workmen always blame something other than themselves. I was also one of the ones to call him out on that BS - see if you can work out which one is me 
From my testing F23d is better than F22b but F22b is a solid backup if F23d doesn’t work out for you. Ironically it wouldn’t take much for GB to fix most of the problems the firmware has simply setting one R&D guy aside to address the issues I have personally passed to GB through a contact is all that would need to be done and after perhaps half a day of work 70% - 90% of the problems would go away. The problems I told them about are mostly universal so fix the problem for one board you have fixed it for all applicable boards. The AGESA code now is plenty mature enough where manufacturers don’t have to redo their firmware from scratch every time AMD make a new AGESA just major updates now are needed eg; new CPU support added, improved memory compatibility, that kind of thing. During those interim periods manufacturers can fix bugs specific to their products while reporting to AMD any bugs that are specific to the AGESA (and in all honestly that won’t be many, if any. Any AMD AGESA option I have tested works flawlessly.) nobody minds waiting for a firmware update as long as the update is worth waiting for, which is to say; thoroughly bug tested and done properly.
F22b and F23d both do not have the HPET bug with F23d also benefitting from having a long, LONG standing SPD data read bug being fixed, I never experienced SSD issues with F22 but I also did not benchmark my SSDs on F22 so cannot say what the problem might be there my guess would be a bad SATA controller driver. I try to only look at the most widely reported problems as those are the ones that should be immediately dealt with issues that are not as widespread are more than likely specific to those systems or a singular specific component in which case the manufacturer of that component, not GB, should be being informed of the problem.
Does this method work for all SSDs? What does it actually do? Is overprovisioning even necessary?
Oh youve got me all wrong, im not talking about overprovisioning i mean secure erase
Bad workmen always blame something other than themselves. I was also one of the ones to call him out on that BS - see if you can work out which one is me From my testing F23d is better than F22b but F22b is a solid backup if F23d doesn’t work out for you. Ironically it wouldn’t take much for GB to fix most of the problems the firmware has simply setting one R&D guy aside to address the issues I have personally passed to GB through a contact is all that would need to be done and after perhaps half a day of work 70% - 90% of the problems would go away. The problems I told them about are mostly universal so fix the problem for one board you have fixed it for all applicable boards. The AGESA code now is plenty mature enough where manufacturers don’t have to redo their firmware from scratch every time AMD make a new AGESA just major updates now are needed eg; new CPU support added, improved memory compatibility, that kind of thing. During those interim periods manufacturers can fix bugs specific to their products while reporting to AMD any bugs that are specific to the AGESA (and in all honestly that won’t be many, if any. Any AMD AGESA option I have tested works flawlessly.) nobody minds waiting for a firmware update as long as the update is worth waiting for, which is to say; thoroughly bug tested and done properly.
F22b and F23d both do not have the HPET bug with F23d also benefitting from having a long, LONG standing SPD data read bug being fixed, I never experienced SSD issues with F22 but I also did not benchmark my SSDs on F22 so cannot say what the problem might be there my guess would be a bad SATA controller driver. I try to only look at the most widely reported problems as those are the ones that should be immediately dealt with issues that are not as widespread are more than likely specific to those systems or a singular specific component in which case the manufacturer of that component, not GB, should be being informed of the problem.
Yes and the only way they are ever going to listen is by hitting them in the pocket, this website alone is massive in the gaming community and in itself has the power to totally fuck gigabyte up, HOW DARE gigabyte blame AMD for poor motherboard design, this is ALL gigabytes fault, every single bit, from their shitty vrm’s and totally useless rgb implementation to their many design faults and piss poor UEFI, ok then how comes no other x370 board is this bad?
I totally agree, I find the fact that only Gigabyte are the ones who blame AMD for all their shortcomings laughable. As you have proven if they actually put some effort into their work its not too bad of a board. ive not updated to any of the newer BIOSs, dont want to screw up my working settings.
I only used an official BIOS for a couple of days before I started using the ones you fixed. I like to think its due to me using your improved BIOS versions Ive been able to run my Hynix M die @3200Mhz and OC my Ryzen 1600x, using P-states to 3.975Ghz
I would like to say thanks for all your hard work.
That being said Im going to be upgrading to an Asrock board when Ive some spare cash.
Bad workmen always blame something other than themselves. I was also one of the ones to call him out on that BS - see if you can work out which one is me From my testing F23d is better than F22b but F22b is a solid backup if F23d doesn’t work out for you. Ironically it wouldn’t take much for GB to fix most of the problems the firmware has simply setting one R&D guy aside to address the issues I have personally passed to GB through a contact is all that would need to be done and after perhaps half a day of work 70% - 90% of the problems would go away. The problems I told them about are mostly universal so fix the problem for one board you have fixed it for all applicable boards. The AGESA code now is plenty mature enough where manufacturers don’t have to redo their firmware from scratch every time AMD make a new AGESA just major updates now are needed eg; new CPU support added, improved memory compatibility, that kind of thing. During those interim periods manufacturers can fix bugs specific to their products while reporting to AMD any bugs that are specific to the AGESA (and in all honestly that won’t be many, if any. Any AMD AGESA option I have tested works flawlessly.) nobody minds waiting for a firmware update as long as the update is worth waiting for, which is to say; thoroughly bug tested and done properly.
F22b and F23d both do not have the HPET bug with F23d also benefitting from having a long, LONG standing SPD data read bug being fixed, I never experienced SSD issues with F22 but I also did not benchmark my SSDs on F22 so cannot say what the problem might be there my guess would be a bad SATA controller driver. I try to only look at the most widely reported problems as those are the ones that should be immediately dealt with issues that are not as widespread are more than likely specific to those systems or a singular specific component in which case the manufacturer of that component, not GB, should be being informed of the problem.
Yes and the only way they are ever going to listen is by hitting them in the pocket, this website alone is massive in the gaming community and in itself has the power to totally fuck gigabyte up, HOW DARE gigabyte blame AMD for poor motherboard design, this is ALL gigabytes fault, every single bit, from their shitty vrm’s and totally useless rgb implementation to their many design faults and piss poor UEFI, ok then how comes no other x370 board is this bad?
Well, this thread alone has almost 120,000 views a single thread doesn’t get that many views unless consumers have severe concerns. Now just think, if roughly half of that almost 120,000 show this thread to one person, then those people show one person, perhaps post links to this thread in other forums… it doesn’t take much, or long, to potentially deny GB around half a million sales. I’m sure those are the kinds of numbers they will feel in their coffers.
No problem, and the Fatal1ty X470 board looks particularly tasty
No problem, and the Fatal1ty X470 board looks particularly tasty
I agree there it really does.
Just had a quick look at the specs of the Fatal1ty X470 and it certainly does.
Nice to see they let the horrible red theme go as well and go with something more classy, you cant go wrong with asrock man theyre amazing performers and the polychrome leds are amazing
Here’s a nice picture to wet your appetite 
That does look good. Hopefully I can get a review sample of the Fatal1ty or Taichi from Asrock.
Done, ive just ordered one a taichi, lifes too short init. so we will see how good it is, my bets are placed in this being the best x470 board on the market.
https://www.alza.co.uk/asrock-x470-taich…ASABEgJPrfD_BwE
The onboard audio is probably the best on any board too
@POE_UK
Tell me how it goes, I am also thinking about ordering a x470 taichi and some memory.
I wanna be sure this new taichi performs as the x370 taichi or even better 